- RVers enjoying an RV site. Will a vaccination card be required to get a site soon?
How COVID Changed RV Camping
COVID vaccine recipients are leaving vaccination centers with a reminder card. It contains reminders for their second dose. And tells them to hang on to this card. This is your “proof of vaccination”.
Healthline.com notes several reasons why your proof of vaccination card is important. Mobile app or “digital passports” are under consideration. As WebMD.com states,
“Americans who get vaccinated against COVID-19, and use a digital health “passport” to prove it, may have an easier time traveling this year and being admitted to things like concerts, sporting events, and museums.”
RV owners are often required to show proof of vaccination. That is, for their pets. Keeping a copy of your dog’s vaccination records on hand is not new for the 58% of RVers that travel with a canine friend. But what about proof of a COVID vaccination for yourself? Your traveling partners? Is the RVing community ready to accept this requirement to get into an RV park or resort? What about a state park, national forest, or national park campground?
Travel sites like Travel Pulse are already discussing whether COVID-19 Vaccines Will Be Required to Fly in 2021. Will RV campgrounds follow suit? Will RV park owners see this as a point of liability? Can they be sued if a camper can prove they caught COVID on their property? Might the fear of impending litigation push them towards a proof of vaccination entrance requirement?
Will RV Parks Start Requiring Proof Of Vaccination?
The COVID-19 vaccine is a fiery topic in itself. There are many that are against the vaccine altogether. These people are often called Anti-Vaxxers. Are you willing to submit proof of vaccination against the COVID-19 virus? Will it stop you from visiting an RV park, RV resort, or campground?
If you are, then how will that work? Will every person in your group have to be vaccinated? If one person is not, will they be limited to certain locations at the campground, or will they all be denied entry? What about campgrounds with late check-in or unmanned offices? Will there be a proof of vaccination from, digital or otherwise, you have to fill in either onsite, or online? Or will RVers simply adorn the front of their RVs with a large cross, as in the days of the Plague if they are unvaccinated campers?
- Would you offer proof of vaccination to an RV park owner to get a site?
Will vaccinated RVers refuse?
Until the vaccine becomes a tracking chip or a tattoo on your forehead, most people get the COVID vaccine. And of course, the proof of vaccination that goes with it. The question is, will you do it to get a campsite? Or do you view it as an infringement on your personal rights? Again, this is a fiery topic.
As kids, our parents all had to submit shot records to the school to allow us to start kindergarten, third grade, etc. Is this much different? Did our parents have these same feelings and questions when vaccination requirements were set forth?
Distrust of government is driving resistance to proof of vaccination. This is on both sides of the aisle. Is the government simply being cautious, or laying down a foundation to wrest further control away from its constituents? These are broad and volatile questions that belong elsewhere, but serve as a backdrop for our question, Will RVers allow RV parks to mandate a proof of vaccination in order to camp there?
Will RVers submit proof of vaccination or not?
At the end of the day, RVers need a place to set up camp. Whether that’s boondocking somewhere or staying in luxury RV resorts, RVing allows us to get away from it all. If the only way to get away and use that expensive RV is to show a proof of vaccination, will RVers say yes? Most probably will, but certainly some will not.
Some RV park owners are lauded for requiring proof. Others chastised. Some get both, as differing sides of opinion weigh in at campground reviews.
RVing and the RV community is in its own particular niche travel bubble. While still considered travel, per se, its unique form of isolation made it the go-to travel method for 2020 during the pandemic and shows no signs of slowing down.
All the same, when we think of travel we tend to think of terms like airlines, cruise ships, taxis, and hotels. Within that genre, CNN predicts that If you want to travel next year, you may need a vaccine passport. Will those travel mandates include RVing and RV travel?
We might anticipate seeing individual campgrounds making those decisions independently, but with so many conglomerates and chain acquisitions in the last couple of years, you can expect that corporate decisions will have to be made and pushed to their campgrounds across the board.
Your best bet is to plan your RV trip ahead of time, make reservations, and ask each campground if they will require proof of vaccination. Let us know your thoughts in the comments below, on our Facebook page, or with the community on iRV2 Forums.
All around RV industry enthusiast who has been RVing for 8 years and enjoys trips with his wife and dogs in their diesel pusher.
Brian Doc Burry says
No, never, will NOT go to any place private or government that requires me “To SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS!” It is a personal choice I make.
Linda Arentsen says
Agreed. If they want my business, they do not need to know my confidential heath record.
Short answer…NO! But what will we do then? I’m trying to determine what my leisure time will look like & then how to functionally get there. My “RV” could look totally different. Flexibility & affordability will probably be key words for the future.
No. No. No. even if I had the vaccine….No.
No. Not now, not ever. I’m a child of the 50s. My mother didn’t believe in
vaccinations. I’ve made it 67 years and I’m fine. I haven’t even had a cold in 20 years.
James Fram says
I think, as a mater of safety I would show proof this coming season.
Elena Hawkins says
Thank you for the comparison to the expectation of proof of our kids’ vaccinations. That’s how I view it. I nearly died of measles as an infant, bc I was exposed before I was old enough for the vaccine. I’m perfectly comfortable sharing my Covid-19 vax status. I’m a private person yet this info does not seem the least invasive to me. It’s a public health and safety issue. I’m in favor of anyone knowing my status, and sharing information such that we take calculated risks, equipped with good data.
Dont panic Larry. I dont see Americans asking for papers. Part of RVing is the freedom to go anywhere. Covid may be lethal for some but so is the flu or ebola. I dont understand why the whole country has lost its mind over something that has a lower death rate than almost anything else that takes us out.
Tony Dodge says
With info of various strains now in the country where will the line be drawn. Will you need proof of Covid 19 A but not for Covid B? I for one do not trust a vaccine that has not been used for more than what 5 weeks?
Absolutely NO! Just when you think you’ve seen and heard it all. There is no park that has anymore amenities than my 45′ Prevost that I can’t go elsewhere without “showing my papers”.
margo rapp says
We just called a campgroung in Vermont and at this time Vermont campgrounds require proof of covid vaccine. Guess we are changing vacation plans. Does anybody know what campgrounds are not requiring proof of covid vaccine?
Stupidest thing I’ve read all day. You should never force someone to have a vaccine in order to RV.
Linda Baney says
We will terminate our camp membership with coast to coast and K & M and sell our diesel pusher and that will be the end of our travels . I will not give in to this kind of government control it has to stop now .
Bob Clark says
Parks should NOT require proof of vaccination. Private personal medical information
Barb Witbeck says
A hard no for us! No Covid vaccine. Ever!
Never. This is HIPPA protected information. What would happen if people started asking your std status or hiv status? This is rediculous.
My personal health record is under the law. I will not give my health records to anyone. Vaccine or NO vaccine. My health information is non of your business. Freedom . FREEDOM .
Camp grounds free choice to require documentation . Sad that America has become so blind to government control.
My health is not public knowledge. Discrimination of my free right to travel is unbelievable.
Here’s why Scott. I don’t personally know anyone who has died from the flu. But I myself almost died from CoVid and several people that i know did die from it. Apparently, some people, if not directly affected by an incident, have absolutely no empathy or concern for those who have. And those people will never understand.
No, never. I will not get the shot and certainly never give up my right to have confidential medical records!
No this is wrong, if I had the flu or any other issue like aids you would not ask me for paperwork! When is this stuff going to stop!
Not, no way, never! I am not an anti-vaxxer but I want to see a lot more data before getting a Covid19 vaccine. But even more important is personal privacy and the government’s desire to control our lives more and more every day. I may get the vaccine, I may not, but that is my business and not the business of anyone else.
Just Me says
I’ll show you mine if you show me yours…
I would say that the park owners and all their need to show me that they have their vaccinations.
I don’t think they can legally make you show them your health records that’s a private thing and I think it’s against the law……for now
Joe Fiorentino says
I hope all public and private campgrounds require proof of vaccination once vacine becomes available to all. It’s the fastest way back to normal. It protects everyone from a disease that has already killed half a million people.
Nancy Marie Bryson says
Brian Doc Burry, I totally agree with you.
There is one thing not mentioned in this article, and that is HIPAA and it’s protection of PHI, protected health information. An RV park owner would take on a whole lot of responsibility for protecting that information. This would also include all the good folks working the check in desk. Their computers probably don’t have the levels of security and encryption in place that most hospitals and doctors offices have in place. If hacked, they would be taking on a lot of liability too. I don’t think I will be giving that information out either. I think that at some point, the government will either want to take credit for solving the pandemic, or ignore the stuff they have been telling us about herd immunity to keep limiting that right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. BTW, HIPAA does not apply to dogs or pets.
Why start now, we spent 3 months on the road last year traveling across the country and had absolutely no problems with social distancing or staying healthy. A certificate of vaccination doesn’t guarantee that a person is free of COVID-19 and what are you to do when two shots are required. Bad Idea
Nope, nope, nope. and nope! It is nobody’s business what my medical history is. No one. Not an airline. Not a retail business. Not a campground. Not a hotel.
Sylvia Metz says
HIPPA laws do apply to veterinarians in most states. A responsible owner will have their pets vaccinated. An owner must give their permission for information on their pet to be released to anyone else. Rabies vaccinations are required by law.
We travel with at least 5 furkidz in our RV and have never had an RV park ask to see proof of rabies vaccinations. Why should they ask to see proof of Covid-19 vaccinations.
It should be a personal choice to get the Covid vaccinations, flu vaccinations are not required and many people die from the flu every year.
Larry G. says
I think, if needed, maned gates to have temp checks only. No mandatory papers needed !!
After all, temp checks have been all needed to enter inclosed areas for a while now.
Why would it not be fine for open spaces as well !!!!!!!!!?
Tammie Hinkle says
What about those of us that are vaccine exempt due to reactions & medical conditions?
I agree the answer is a firm NO! What is the best way to get that message to the camp owners? Any suggestions?
Leonard Marlborough says
I agree with you 100%!
Dave Martin says
Don’t agree with having to show proof of vaccine. Especially when they don’t even have enough to go around. And it is not mandatory so that wouldn’t that be discrimination.
Agree. Never. I will not do business there if they require it. I am not an ‘antivaxer’ either. However, everyone should know and keep in mind this is an EXPERIMENTAL injection–it’s not even a true vaccine. No one should be forced to be a guinea pig for whomever is making the money with it. Especially when this virus has a 96% and most likely even better chance of fully recovering from it–naturally.
No to vaccine and no to government interference What ever happened to free choice. Looks more to me of control and herd mentality
Alfie Fujitani Eldridge says
So much for HIPPA
Do you show your ID at the airport? Have you ever given out your SSN to get a loan? Were you vaccinated for measles like most were in the 60s and 70s? If so, did your parents do wrong?
No easy answers here. Just asking considering there are 400,000 dead.
Colby Goodson says
I will not comply!
What ever happened to HIPA (health information privacy act)
We will never support any campground that has this requirement. If they go down this road then we need to also have the following requirements:
…Show records that your propane tank(s) has been inspected on a regular basis…I don’t want your rig blowing up while parked next to me;
…Allow the campground employees to search your car/truck/RV…I don’t want any kind of illegal substances or weapons nearby that might endanger me and my family;
…Keep, and be prepared to show, a detailed list of everywhere that you have been for the past three-four weeks…just so that we can be sure that you have not been staying in questionable locations and bringing God knows what (diseases, rats, etc) into the campground.
Where does the list stop? Here’s a suggestion…live life, enjoy liberty and pursue happiness for all it is worth, but do so using common sense and compassion and avoid tyrannical behavior at all costs.
Joe Eafrati says
No, they don’t need to know my personal medical records. Even if I do get the shot, who needs to know? When does it stop? They will require Flu shots and Rabies shots, treat us like dogs? Once it starts, they know they got us. It won’t end. I’ll sell my RV first.
Joe Eafrati says
When parks, airlines, cruise ships start losing money because people refuse to carry a covid card, they will change their policy. This vaccine is supposed to stop covid, so why would we need proof if it’s not there.
NO!!! My camping days will be over. Camping is the safest form of living and recreation. I will not live in a bubble, under a mask or separated from my friends and family. Our freedoms keep becoming less and less. We practice masks and distance out of respect for others, when we camp, a vaccination proof is going over the line. We’ll camp in our vacant lot . But it’s not the same as a campground environment.
Never. Absolutely not. It’s my personal business and my choice.
I agree totally. It’s probably a HIPPA violation too. If any try, I’m sure it will be tested in court.
We are all citizens of a community… we have to protect the health of all…
Just like polio vaccines, mumps, measles… we take responsibility for OUR community.
So yes… we do what’s right.
I have a problem with the part where you must have a vaccine there are some people like me that would love to get the vaccine but are highly allergy and need to wait until there is more proof that I will not have a reaction
Dan Hargis says
To me it’s just another means to take away a God given freedom. I love to RV. But before I bow down to a bunch of rules to show my personal choice of taking or not taking the experimental vaccine. I would sell my RV. It’s an experimental virus until it’s been 100% tested. Way too early to take a risk on taking the vaccine
Lisa B. says
I am severely allergic and have asthma to tons of stuff including vaccines. I can not take any vaccines, if forced to, then I die, it’s pretty simple. I have had anaphylaxis to more things then I can count and died during a reaction before. I was brought back, but ya, it is common for me, so no anything for me.
Not just NO but HECK NO!
Sally Jenkins says
How in the world is RVing a ‘God given freedom’? It is a privilege granted only to those that can afford it.
Tell you what…you take it then you won’t have to worry if I have it or not! You’ll be saved.
Agree with Jaxon. The comment in the article about having to provide proof of vax for your kids is pertinent and helpful. But this is another difficult issue in these difficult times.
Do you need to show proof of getting a flu vaccine?
I’m in no way saying the 2 are equal but many also need to be protected from the flu. Just where would the line be drawn?
Patricia Todd says
Exactly. What each of does effects all of those around us. When vaccines were discovered that protect us from smallpox, shingles, pneumonia, polio, measles, mumps, rubella, whooping cough and on the horizon-cancer, no one made such a fuss. Everyone was thrilled to not have to worry about these terrible diseases. Corona virus has been involved in more than 400,000 deaths in 1 year. Check the numbers, that is quickly moving up the list of leading causes of death. If you step away from the politics and look at COVID 19 as a disease, it becomes a “no-brainer”. Why does any one care who knows if you are vaccinated? I think it shows intelligence and concern for your fellow man
dori bonner says
What about those of us healthy enough not to need it or get on the vax list? How about those who cannot get the vaccine because of health issues? I’ll continue to wear a mask & dry the shit out of my hands with sanitizer in respect of those who haven’t been vaccinated, but requiring EVERYONE to get the vax before traveling is ridicules! The reason we just bought a camper was to avoid hotels, restaurants & indoor activities in favor of spending our time outdoors.
Bill Massicotte says
I am with you!
I have no problem showing that I have been vaccinated against a deadly disease. I am Veteran and have received more shots than I care to mention. Shots are required for any military person to travel to other countries to protect them from diseases not encountered in their own country. You can’t travel without it. It is a necessary precaution to protect us all from anti-vaxxers and covid carriers who don’t even know if they are carriers. I don’t have a problem showing my vaccine card, and I probably will have no problem getting a reservation with the likes of the naysayers above.
Brian Doc Burry says
Your choice, this is NOT the plague, it is NOT polio, it IS an experimental vaccine only. You stay home if you choose, I and my wife will not. But hell will freeze over before we comply with ANYONE whoever wants TO SEE YOUR PAPERS!!!!! I fought in three wars, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan (one of the oldest soldiers, wounded in action Purple Heart recipient) and the rights I protected were in the Constitution. Period. You choose, I choose, if has nothing to do with a virus.
The virus isn’t experimental. Neither is the vaccine. It’s been given emergency approval.
No. I will boondock forever.
Big brother at its finest……
No, it is a violation of medical privacy. Too much of that already!
Lee Gortman says
God question, but this will never happen or you will see RV parks close. It will be most likely be a year before they have enough for the entire US population. My mom who is 89 and health issues was told in SC that “the current list is full and she could expect it in the Spring. They don’t have enough vaccinations.”
Nancy Marie Bryson says
I don’t believe that the federal government will have any problem with closing the RV parks.
Vickey Brenner says
Thank you sir! Yes, men and woman have fought to preserve our freedoms up to this point. Now…well…what will they be fighting for?
Being cautious and questioning the ingredients in these so called miracle vaccines does not make me an anti vaxxer. We will not participate until this is proven safe and effective. If RV parks want papers..we will go boondock!
What about those that had Covid-19 and recovered? Nothing has been said about them.
It is a personal choice to vaccinate or not. Many of us cannot even get an appointment for one any time soon even if you’re over 65!
While vaccines have been given for years, I don’t recall being asked to show proof for any RV trip I’ve taken to date. Most of us stay in our own space most of the time.
I think we need to see how this coming year goes health wise and vaccine availability wise before mandatory implementation.
That is absolutely nonsense. Given the issue of vaccine distribution and availability will affect this. There is also others that have illness or disability that prevents getting the vaccine. Are there going to be restrictions on disabled people. Camping is one of the few things left in this Covid environment.
Agree… Distribution is a major issue; there will be many reasons some folks won’t be able to get vaccinated . Many questions remain …. new strains , how long it is effective etc. We will be masking for many more months .
My question also. I’ve heard the vaccine is only good for a short time anyways, just like the flu vaccine. Not everyone takes the flu vaccine either.
Ken Griffin says
The covid “vaccine” is not a vaccine. It does not immunize nor does it prevent transmission. It is simply an experimental compound that has not been tested as all other vaccines have been tested. There is much unknown about it. You have to be crazy to have it injected.
S davis says
Fearing the zombie apocalypse?
Cindy Kerrigan says
I am with the Ken Griffins.
Whatever happened to freedom of choice and privacy? Requiring proof of vaccination, particularly in an RV PARK, could be construed as a violation of HIPPA.
The best part of RVing is the easy choice of social distancing, or not.
If RV parks are concerned with legal liability, they can have campers sign a release and waiver relative to COVID. For late arrivers, PARKS can place a well light sign at the entrance that states upon entering the campers’ release of liability is implied. (Yes, there are some who will refute the waivers, implied or signed. They probably shouldn’t be traveling any time soon, vaccinated or otherwise.)
i am looking forward to RVing in the near future, following COVID safety guidelines for my fellow travelers’ and my own protection.
My local HCA Major Medical Center does not even require front line employees to get the vaccine. That tells you about all you need to know on how ridiculously overblown this whole thing is. Why would a property owner be liable for covid 19 but not any of the other dozens of more serious virus that came before it??? Well of course I know the answer but if I type it I’ll get censored.
Lou R says
Yep! People die every year from the flu, and there are flu vaccines, and no papers required for the flu vaccine or any other vaccine. Covid issue is beyond common sense and since when do we believe anything the government does. Wake up, folks.
We will not get the vaccination until we know without a doubt its not dangerous and deadly itself. 55 have died across America from the vaccination. We will take our chances and if a RV Campground makes it their rule, we will by pass them for the boon docks, if need be.
Douglas Collier says
They may think that demanding proof of vaccine is going to be common place, but it is still unconstitutional. I should not need a vaccine like I don’t need a flu shot. Remember the flu kills too.
Never! I have been told to follow to science but it’s all over the place and there are no hard answers. Even if there were I would not present my papers to pay someone to camp.
I will get the immunization, but because I want it, not because some government agency says I have to have it. I feel that requiring anyone to PROVE you have had the immunization is a blatant violation of our constitutional rights and I would prefer to boondock if necessary.
Your recommendation to ask the campgrounds if they will require a vaccination is only putting ideas into peoples heads. I highly recommend not using this approach.
If you are following how the travel industry is handling the scenario (and past epidemics), it is highly unlikely that a vaccination will be required as that comes close to violating rights.
The more likely path will be requiring proof you do not have the virus with a test verification.
Although we are responsible for our pets…we are not animals.
I believe that by fall of 2021 this will be under control. High risk individuals should be frist priority and that’s a large portion of the rv community, I think most people are aware of the risk and will ware masks for the near future and are responsible adults in the rv community so I see no need for parks to require vacsnations before entering. The slow distribution of the drug would kill the rv industries profit and cause a major revolt from my fellow campers weather your a seasoned camper or new to the life style.
Robert Wood says
Like others, my answer is no, I see no reason to show proof of my medical history to business in order to spend my money with them. But it’s going to irritate me if the federal govt locks us out of National Parks.
It’s unconstitutional and any business that requires it will be boycotted by many. What happened to HIPAA? America is still the land of the free unless we, the citizens, choose to be actually give our government and businesses that much power.
My fellow Americans, please talk with your money. Only spend it with businesses that deserve your hard earnings. An American business that values freedom will not support such a thing. And to those businesses – people who attempt to pressure you to force this proof because they are too afraid to travel to you probably aren’t going to travel anyhow. It was the same people who stand for freedom that kept you afloat in 2020. Don’t forsake them.
Andre Angelantoni says
These vaccines are still experimental; they have only Emergency Use Authorization.
Stage 3 clinical trials are not complete until 2022.
It is illegal to mandate any EUA medication.
Not So Free says
Do you really think they care about law?
And you are right about the trials. They are nowhere near complete.
What an utterly ridiculous idea. Camping is, by it’s very nature, socially distanced. If one is worried about whether or not I’ve had the vaccine, they should stay out of my camp site. Further, the risk of getting infected while outdoors is minimal. Even the CDC states that masks are not necessary while outside unless it is not possible to keep a 6 foot distance from others. And for those under age 50, there’s a higher risk of death by auto accident than from Covid.
As for me, until it is proven safe and effective, it’s a hard No from me. Campgrounds that make it a requirement will not be getting my business.
The vaccine is mostly an experiment with potential consequences. Like Mike said, What about those that have had the virus? Brian makes a good point also, “Show me your papers” is not the way I want to live. We take our lives into our own hands every time we take a breath. I’ll continue to do my best to make good decisions. If someone forces me to show my papers to stay at a campground, I’ll find a new way to camp, as we have found new ways to do most everything else.
Rob Hammons says
Not only no, but heck no.
Rick Anderson says
The majority of people will comply with Covid related requests and mandates not to attend events or socialize with others if they know they are not feeling well or know they have Covid. RVers are no different. We are all adults and there is an expectation to be respectful and responsible when it comes to issues like this. I pray we never get to a point where you have to prove anything more than who you are. Providing papers to prove vaccination is a slippery slope we don’t want to start down
Glenn Miller says
Wash your hands and don’t cough or sneeze on me and we will all be fine. Stop this control crap now.
Since I live and travel in my RV full time I don’t even know when or where I can get it. Plus the second one would have to be in a different place than the first.
But more importantly is that stupid people panicked and demanded someone, anyone, come up with a vaccine. Even if it won’t work on all the mutations this virus has already gone through. That’s the big question, and since this was rushed through in record time no one has a definite answer. I’ve always gotten vaccines in the past, starting with polio in the ’50s. But with some of the reported side effects of the second shot I don’t want it if it’s not going to work.
Paul Goldberg says
I am relatively high risk for age and other factors. I look forward to getting vaccinated to relieve some of my concern about becoming infected. I really think it would be unnecessary to require proof of vaccination to stay in a campground so longer as we all agree to continue to abide by CDC guidelines regarding masks and distancing. If a campground manager chooses to require proof of vaccination I will be prepared to present mine. there is no constitutional right to stay in a campground. The constitutional limits regarding free speech do not apply to private individuals. One could argue that it is a violation of HIPPA but since the cg is not a medical facility I do not believe those regulations apply.
Absolutely not. I will never provide this information for a multitude of reasons. What will they do for people who have had the virus and should not get the vaccine? Force them to get it anyways risking their health so they can travel? NO. Absolutely not. And for those who equate it with the measles… the RV parks have not requested my measles vaccine record either so NO.
I have not yet decided if I will take the Covid vaccine. I get my annual flu shot, but I know it’s been thoroughly vetted. Whether or not I get it, I will not stay anywhere that requires proof. Ever.
William Bradley says
Ahhh..I think from the comments…it’s an overwhelming “NO” !! Myself included….
It’s a hard “no” for me.
Week the RV parks start requiring proof of vaccination for polio, measles, mumps, rubella, flu, pneumonia, etc? All of those diseases can be deadly as well. Is COVID contagious? Yes. Can it be deadly? Yes. More so than the others? No.
Most RVers are careful about socializing outside their group. This is not something. That should be mandated by an RV park. We are outside!!!
Kenneth Lane says
“Most RVers are careful about socializing outside their group. ” You said.
No that is factually not true and everyone well knows that.
I don’t think it should be mandatory. Covid is a new strain of an old virus just like the flu has new strains and we aren’t required to take the flu vaccine or banned from parks and event if we don’t. The flu is just as deadly as Covid. I believe its all political.
I don’t understand the medical science/sense that would require a person to take a little know”vaccine” that the disease itself has a 98/99% survival rate. Ask yourself why!
Hersh or is it Harsh says
Thank you… you’re smart for asking that question!!!
Douglas Mock says
I am with the majority of campers who feel our rights are being eroded away. I do not at this time trust the vaccine. We need more facts, not maybes. Pretty soon they will want your health records to go to the public restroom!!!! A definite no from me. I like to make a few decisions in my life.
Phil Atterbery says
I retired from the US military in 1994. I was issued the appropriate ID card at that time. It’s a security issue in this day and age. No law has been passed mandating proof of vaccination. If one gets written it will promptly be challenged. The person that mandated it will be vilified on social media.
What about people like me. Due to health issues flu shots are contra indicated. If certificate of vaccination are required what am I to do?
No because we do not know what the vaccine will do in each person. Does it actually prevent the Clovid virus from infecting us and others. Also it will hurt RV parks if they limit who camps at their parks. Working in the medical field I have advised my patients not to get the vaccine. Too many questions about reactions and bad outcomes. I for one have not taken the vaccine so if the require proof I will not be able to use their campsite and they will not make any income from me.
Sounds like many need to read more related to vaccinations of any kind. There have not been people to die from the contents of COVID-19 vaccination. I agree with others who point out we have a responsibility to those around us. What if the Polio vaccine was not taken by all? We have been able to virtually eradicate it world wide because of The vaccination. Let’s try to make well informed decisions, using our heads.
Not So Free says
Any campground that wants that information will never see me or mine.
As was mentioned above in some comments, the parks that mandate it won’t be in business for very long.
Doc Hubbard says
Absolutely. Give me the vaccine as soon as possible and REQUIRE it to attend or travel where you may infect others – just like schools do. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few – Mr. Spock was spot on.
You clearly are unaware that even the vaccines for school are not “required”. Almost every state in the union (except 4) allows for exemptions. You are already around unvaccinated people every single day. Think of that next time you touch a door handle at the library or a cart at the store. Covid isn’t the only thing out there, and you didn’t worry about any of them, or who around you might be carrying anything, until you were told to.
JoAnn Burdette says
Should we show proof of vaccine to vote? How about entering a grocery store? How about showing proof of vaccine to have a bank account? How about having a vaccine indicated on your drivers license. Why not say you can no longer have health care till you have a certain vaccine? This is beyond ridiculous!!
Gary Cannon says
Nope not gonna get it. And I will take business elsewhere if they require proof.
Robert S Heywood says
The two vaccines presently approved have passed stage 3 trials, each with at least 35,000 participants, before being granted the emergency use authorization. . No other vaccines developed have ever been more effective (95%), and no one has died from these vaccines. On the other hand, over 3,000 are dying every day from Covid 19, and our hospitals are totally jammed, stressing our health care system to the breaking point. Today we lost a dear family member due to a non Covid condition… he was taken to the hospital ER, but there were no spaces in the intensive care unit for him… He was very sick, but one has to ask if he might have survived had he been able to access these services. We usually spend the Winter months on the road, but are sheltering in place this year until we get the vaccine. You could say, to each his own, but in the case of this health emergency, we all need to be united in beating this monster. Love thy neighbor!
robert west says
didn’t Joe sign a mandate today, requiring anybody in government buildings, jobs, OR lands will be required to ware mask. Boondocking wont be the same anymore.
T Gomez says
Sounds like the mark(medical chips/tattoo’s) of the beast ! And it would scare the Heck out of me. The medical community came up HEPA for a reason and that is to protect your medical records . I don’t think that i would patronage any place that would require me to prove that i have or have not any medical problems.What if you had covid and other related health issues from it, would they bar you from staying there as well ?
Does “united” mean we all get vaccinated?
Jerry and Kathy Wills says
John Wilson says
No. Nope. No way Jose.
No vaccine cards.
By default we socially distance when camping. We wear masks when we cannot socially distance. Just like at home.
Don Stoneburg says
I predict that the Parks that don’t mandate will flourish, those that do will not do so well. Solar panel sales will soar and there will be many more septic service companies started to service “boondockers”. jmho.
Under hippa law you cannot ask anyone about their health or medical. This is very illegal and very bias. I see a lot of lawsuits on this one. Say no to the vaccine. Right now Norway is seeing 15 deaths so far from this vaccine which is more of a tracker then anything. Good luck with this one.
I’m a RN who cares for COVID-19 patients and I have a high-risk spouse. I got the vaccine for that reason. I would avoid any place that required it, UNLESS they required everyone to have ALL vaccines.
I am glad there are so many of you who will not frequent a park if proof of vaccine is required. That will leave more spaces for people like me. I just got my first shot today and have already schedualed my second. (My health care provider is Scripps in San Diego)Those who fear the vaccine sound much like the people who refused to wear a mask. I think of the 400,000 dead. How many of them would wear a mask or get a vaccine if they were given a second chance? I will take a chance on the vaccine. It gives me better odds than not. I hope I don’t see any of you in the parks I choose to go to.
I will be happy to show proof of vaccinaton.
I will never comply! What freedom will they take away next? Think about what they’re doing!
Lou R says
Wait till you need to show vaccine passport to get gas.
I’d have to stay home because I don’t do vaccines. Not because I’m against them but because I’ve had adverse reactions to them. I will gladly wear a mask but no vaccinations and no providing medical information! We vaccinate animals and people too much!
I would not be comfortable sharing my personal information like that, nor do I feel the vaccine is a necessary requirement for one of THE most solitary travel methods around. We traveled from the east coast to the west coast this year and were perfectly healthy. Most RVers are cautious, compassionate folks and we all observe the rules of the park to keep each other safe, so I have no worries about my safety in an RV park. We traveled the whole country this year and nothing. Caught COVID in our sticks and bricks after having gone NOWHERE but the grocery store pickup line.
I will not be vaccinated. The reasons are not political, anti-vacs, or anything like that. I will not be vaccinated for covid because my Physician advises me that due to a history of reactions to previous flu and pneunomia shots, I should decline.
Where does that leave me in this topic? Isn’t medical discrimination illegal?
Many people seem to have the impression the vaccine is just like any other. My understanding is it is completely different. First, it is not a “dead” version of the virus, like all the other vaccines to date. This vaccine alters one’s messenger RNA. Many are averse to anything that alters their very makeup. Second, vaccines usually take more than10 years to develop in order to prove effectiveness and safety. This vaccine was developed and “tested” in a few months. Side effects do occur, sometimes serious, so that’s not all that unusual at this point. However, we have no long-term data to show what might happen over the long term. Finally, it is not permanent. Most organizations seem to believe immunity will last 5 months to 3 years. Some find this disappointing, but the flu vaccine isn’t either. Annual flu deaths generally far surpass what we’ve seen from COVID-19. COVID doesn’t seem to be seasonal, but we’re less than a year into it, so who knows?
Whether or not to get the vaccine is a personal choice, and that is just like any other vaccine. But when it comes to requiring proof of vaccine in order to camp? Aside from all the privacy concerns, I don’t see why it’s necessary. In all the times we’ve camped at an RV resort, I’ve never been remotely near other campers or staff for more than four or five minutes. Distancing is built in to the layout.
How will we handle the future? We’ll cross that bridge when we start camping again in the spring! 🙂
BILL ROGOCKY says
I have no problem showing my covid vaccine card. Going into a RV park that have pool, hot tub, gym, common room, library that do not have protocol in place is not for us. I don’t understand why people are not concerned for their health. More power to the RV parks that enforce this covid rule. If you don’t like it, then boondock.
Tammie Hinkle says
I have an autoimmune condition, I react badly to vaccines.
3 of my 5 children have reacted badly to vaccines-which is fairly common for children of parents with autoimmune, all 5 are now medically exempt(so to answer the question from above, 3 of my kids don’t have a polio vaccine either, 3 don’t have measles, yet only one could possibly be infected(#3 had measles when given the shot, while pregnant with #4, both now have measles immunity).
#3 couldn’t even get a tetanus shot after being cut with glass on the beach-we tried.
So we will not be eligible for the COVID vaccine, or any others.
Requiring a voluntary vaccine for travel makes it suddenly mandatory…however leaves those of us with exemptions in quite a pickle!
Think that may even fall under disability discrimination….so good luck with that one!!
I am more thinking that if someone is THAT worried about it, then THEY need to be the ones staying home!!
L J says
Well folks, there is a giant “Catch 22” here, regardless of what many feel. My wife and I are over 65 I have diabetes, she has copd. We have been trying with our county, told us we are on the list and they will get to our appointment when they can. We have tried at the grocery store, here in FL they are doing this. The first morning on that website in the first hour over 250,000 people were waiting in geue, on the web site, in the first hour the 25,000 Vacs were scheduled. Point, why should RV folks be punished for the system problems.
I find this very interesting as RV travel is nothing like air travel, train, or ship travel. Pretty much the social distancing is easy and sort of why people use RV’s to travel. If RV’er are required to show proof of vaccination, then I guess every event in this country will need to follow suit. Bars, athletic events, churches, grocery stores, department stores just to name a few. The list will go on and on. While each person will view the degradation of freedom a little different, it is an important topic to understand.
Abe Loughin says
I am a workcamper. Last season, when masks were required in the majority of places, there were the individuals who couldn’t and or wouldn’t wear one. By HIPPA regulations, we were not allowed to ask if those individuals had legitimate underlying condition that prevented them from wearing a mask. I have to believe that HIPPA affords the same rights to privacy when it comes to vaccinations.
If you are vaccinated, why should you care if others aren’t! Are you worried that the vaccine you took doesn’t work? If you truly believe it works, then why worry about others not being vaccinated. Do you worry about contracting MMR or some other disease that you’ve been vaccinated against? By the way who owns you? Are you truly free to decide for yourself? Aren’t we repeating history by forcing people to show their papers?
Things change, evolve over time as needed. It is called progress. Just like you have to show vaccine records to enter a “public” school. This is no different. If mandated – Boondock. HIPPA is not static. Digital passports can identify those exempt for allergies, those having had COVID, etc.
Patricia Todd says
There are still questions about whether you can be carrier after you’ve been vaccinated.
Obviously this article is just meant to spark conversation and thought, which it has apparently. No one should be worried about having to present proof of vaccination to camp in an RV park. However, other countries may require proof when you apply for a passport in the future for traveling out of the country. That would be the issue. No RV park asks to see if you’ve been immunized against polio or mumps, so really, this would never happen. The real question is whether or not Canada and Mexico will allow free travel if one has been vaccinated?
Hell no, I won’t submit. The reason we have HIPPA laws is because my personal health, medications, etc. are nobody’s business.
Robert McBride says
What’s to stop a counterfeit document from being made??
We are not eligible to get the vaccine yet however I don’t think we should have to show if we are or not vaccinated! I feel that at campsites if we are staying away from others and at our site we are practicing safe distancing that should be all we need to do
I have thought a lot about this question. Particularly about wether requiring proof of Covid Vaccination by an rV Park is a violation of someone’s “rights” or an affront to their “freedom”. To the later I would say that everyone has the “freedom” to not patronize a park that has such requirements. You are free to not camp there. These thoughts are in refference to private “for profit” RV parks. I don’t know what the laws are about public campgrounds. But private campgrounds can require your rig be a Class A, your rig be less than 15 or 20 years old, the type or size of your pets, your age, 55+, require proof of insurance, current registration, what time of day you can run your generator, where you can smoke, drug use, minimum and maximum number of days you can stay there, and who knows what else. Hopefully when you choose to go to a particular park you will have become aware of their policies. Most are posted somewhere. Simply said, if a park has a rule that you must provide proof of vaccination, you must either do so or go somewhere else. You are a free person. All of this past RV year I have had a quiet personal policy. “No Mask, No business.” I have walked out f a couple of stores because they allowed someone to not wear a mask. I exercised my own freedom. I spoke with my dollars, and let them know why I would not spend there.
verne hollett says
RVing is by default, socially distant where it is your option if you choose to get closer than 50 feet to anyone except check in people, so they could mandate employees to vaccinate and travellers as an option, we do not need so much complexity in our lives that all the fun is gone from everything we have ever done and the way we are used to doing things.
Patricia Todd says
Well said. Spot on,
I do not see why a campground would ask that question. What difference does it make. No one should ask for your medical except your doctor. It is our money and we should say ho gets it.
Deanna Fritts says
Considering it will be another 1 1/2 years before everyone could even be vaccinated let the arguments begin. Maybe by then we will know if the vaccination will last a month or a year or a lifetime. I am with the RN. If you must have proof of one vaccination for one disease then you must have proof for them all. In my opinion though, if abortion is a personal choice because it is my body what is all the uproar about having a personal choice for a vaccine. Being a senior over 65, I know when to wear a mask, wash my hands and social distance. In fact I am a pro at it after nearly a year.
Desert Date says
Nope. If that happens our RV days are over
Brian L says
The answer is “NO”, I will not show vaccination records of any type, to anyone, except my physician who already has my health history.
Will the campground or RV resort provide me a list of all of their employees and their health records?
Do I get to see the vaccination records of their employees or staff?
Will they list the types of diseases or viruses their staff or other campers have?
There are other diseases out there that are contagious such as hepatitis, tuberculosis, HIV, STDs, etc…
How much more information will need to be shared or personal information will become “public knowledge” to make others “feel” safe?
Sue Harks says
I understand the pro and cons. One of the problems camping grounds will have is while they are private so have every right to ask. It will then also be their responsibility of having our medical information.
If they get hacked the y must understand they are then open for a lawsuit,. It will be their right to ask but it will be also my right to sue them for leaking medical information
Patricia Todd says
It is a vaccine. What do you think it is? It causes your body to recognize a foreign microorganisms and make antibodies to fight it. That is what a vaccine does. Corona virus is a disease with possibly long term ramifications and in many cases death. If you would speak with those who have lost a loved one to an ugly death it would be hurtful to see that many are more worried about a politicized issue than the welfare of others.
Pat Troll says
If RV parks want to play that game, we can too. I recommend that all RV park owners and staff receive training each year regarding sanitizing sites. The state should license each employee. They should sanitize each site, provide water that meet standards to be safe and drinkable, the sewer outlet must be sanitized and provide clean hookups. The picnic tables must be sanitized after each camper. I have a greater risk of disease from dirty sites than I do with Covid.
Just stop the nonsense!
I remember that in the 50s, the US was praising the quality of its public education system. The contents of this thread shows they were very, very wrong. Rather than learning from their teachers, these people were accumulating hubris and coming to believe that their own opinion is the ultimate authority in all things.
These people would probably assert their “right to privacy” as everyone died around them. The word “privacy” does not occur in the Constitution. HIPPA must be suspended until the pandemic is safely past.
Please correct HIPPA to HIPAA. Thanks
I read numerous comments and didn’t see this addressed. The vaccine is intended to protect a person from becoming infected so if a person desires to get the vaccine then let them However if a person desires not to get the vaccine then they should have the freedom NOT to thereby they are assuming the risk they could contract the virus. So by my logical thinking leaving the FREEDOM of choice to the individual gives them the FREEDOM of choosing their level of risk.
One other thought, this virus is spread human-human. The vast majority of the spread is by those who are carriers with no symptoms. The point is, you should have the option to refuse, but you will be living with the thought you may be spreading.
Do you wear gloves when handling your hook ups?
I agree that requiring proof of the vaccine to stay in an RV park is ridiculous.
If the campground owners are concerned about liability, perhaps they can ask the customers to sign a waiver.
We have been using these forms in real estate to protect buyers, sellers, and brokers from liability.
Proof of a treatment still in clinical trial and not fda approved, much less long term safety studies? Diagnosed by a test not intended for diagnosing, that they just admitted prone to false positives if the cycle threshold is over 25-30(which many if not most have been) ?
Yeah, that’s a no.
Wes Adams says
My family is not getting the vaccine, there is no real scientific study showing that it works or what the side effects might be. We will not know for years. that is why vaccines take years to develop. This was a rush job to fit a narrative of fear. If RV parks or campgrounds ask for any proof of a shot, what is stopping them of asking about other health questions? It is a HIPPA violation. No person may ask about your health, period. That being said if places are going t require proof and the justice (which is broke) allows them to, then we will be asked for all kinds of papers while traveling. Is that the America you want?
We are on the list for getting the shots, just nit sure when that’ll be. That being said, HIPPA rules do come into place here (I am employed by city government). Camped over the summer at RV parks-kept our distance and wore mask when indoors. The economy will suffer more if this is required all the way from park owners, locals stores and RC makers.
jc Jones says
Hard PASS, Not me. I will sell RV first.
Absolutely insane to have to show a vaccine record!!! Our personal health records are nobody else’s business!! So ridiculous! If people are so worried about catching someone else’s germs then stay home in your own bubble but don’t expect everyone else to accommodate you!!
I’m guessing many (most?) of the people responding with No haven’t tried to travel to countries that require certain vaccinations before you may enter. Yellow Fever comes to mind. They don’t care about your perceived rights to privacy – they are trying to eradicate deadly diseases.
Janice Lantz says
All I can say is , Looks like I am not going to have a problem getting a campsite this year if they do start to require proof of vaccinations.
A lot of “No, No WAY” here
I’ll send you a post card…Having a great time at ___. Glad you’re not here!
Seriously. My earliest childhood memory primed me not to react to the emotion of the moment…as it passes. When I was 4, my father died in the polio pandemic. My younger sister and I were on a national Jerry Lewis style telethon “these poor children…send money to conquer this terrible disease…”(you know the gig). Returning home the entire city of Jacksonville wen into mass hysteria forcing the health dept to quarantine me as science didn’t know better back then. Needless to say, I was considered at risk and one of the first to receive the vaccine, and later boosters. But, they mass histrionics is what impacted me. Remember water fluoridation issue and all the hoopla that doesn’t exist today – I didn’t react, and the list goes on. Today? I don’t see it “all about me” and every justifying excuse I can come up with…rather it is about the good of the community where I/we interact. Does it hurt? No. I just received my second dose last week…and can hopefully visit/spoil my grandchild in Europe in the near future…but Americans are currently allowed past Customs.
Dan Haug says
I guess that I won’t be going to camping. and sell my RV.